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Author Topic: 426952, 428083 BEWARE these AA listings Funded 10/23/09  (Read 689 times)
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« on: October 15, 2009, 11:25:30 PM »

http://www.prosper.com/invest/listing.aspx?listingID=426952 - Description pasted below. Request for $25,000 for new business purchase.

Purpose of loan:
This loan will be used as a down payment on purchase of a fly fishing shop. I feel this is an excellent opportunity. I am purchasing an existing business with $300,000 annual sales. The owner is selling because of medical issues.
My financial situation:
I am a good candidate for this loan because I have a very good income and very little consumer debt. I only have a house payment and a truck payment with no credit card debt. I currently gross around 10,000 a month. I receive a $20,000 pharmacy manager bonus in March 2010. I will be able to pay back the loan with no issues. I will continue working as a registered pharmacist and my husband will be the main full time employee for the shop. Thank you for your consideration.

http://www.prosper.com/invest/listing.aspx?listingID=428083

Purpose of loan:
The loan will be used to investment in residential real estate. A few friends and I are pulling together $100,000 and partnering up with a seasoned investor who has extensive experience identifying residential real estate at the wholesale level, evaluating the cost to bring the investment to a market sales price, managing the project from purchase through investment construction, and the eventual sale or rental management of the property.

My financial situation:
I am a good candidate for this loan because I have excellent credit, a very good income and very little consumer debt.  I only have a house payment, a student loan payment from my MBA and a car payment that will with paid off in December.  I currently gross around $8,900 per month. Thank you for your consideration.


WOW...notice any similarities in the "My financial situation" portion of these listing descriptions? Lender beware IMHO.

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« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2009, 11:14:06 AM »

 it is academic to me because i can't play this game but it appears both these applicants - if they're telling the truth - make bunches of money and have little debt. so why don't they just use their own cash?

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« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2009, 09:09:33 PM »

AA loans are never a guarantee of success. I learned it the hard way.
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« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2009, 05:43:50 AM »

I have never take any AA loan and won't take in future, thanks for suggest here.
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« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2009, 07:24:28 PM »

I have never take any AA loan and won't take in future, thanks for suggest here.
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 that's hardly a wise move. i've had some AA loans go south but most of my defaults are of lesser quality. to reject a loan simply because it is AA isn't very smart.

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« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2009, 10:44:46 PM »

I would agree with deskguy. I am actually a big fan of AA notes (for holding as well as Folio trading). AA notes if evaluated correctly can be an excellent investment. I definately need them to help hedge my risk against the HR, E, and D notes I am fond of. Try taking AA notes that are only requesting $1000. Set your minimum bid at 6.00%. this should provide a return of approx 7%. Only two AA notes for loan requests of $1000 have ever defaulted and they both had interest rates greater than 9%. Just a though, not many Folks with 800+ credit scores will give up what they have worked so hard for on a mere $1000 loan.

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« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2009, 07:49:14 PM »

What is IMHO?

I would think most victims of identity theft have high incomes.  People with 800+ and $100,000 a year income shouldn't be so desperate to need Prosper.  They can probably walk into a bank to borrow $1,000 with no trouble whatsoever.  Identity theives probably prefer logging into a website than walking into a bank.

I agree with Deskguy.  It sounds goofy for someone making $8,000 a month to borrow $1,000.  They probably aren't using all of that $8,000.  If they are, they are extremely poor managers of their money and probably shouldn't be taking on any more debt.

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« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2009, 09:33:27 PM »

IMHO - In My Humble Opinion. While it is true that the large majority of identity theft attempts on Prosper listings are those of higher credit grades, and perhaps more in general, Prosper is taking extra steps to verify borrowers at this time. What scares me, is previous borrowers, who's loan requests are either identical to their first loan, or the description is written entirely differently, as in, it seems like someone else wrote the new listing. The second loan I took on Prosper, I didn't even receive a phone call, or any other form of verification from Prosper.

In terms of someone with $100,000 a year income and 800+ credit score walking into a bank and getting a loan for $1,000 it is much harder than you think. Unsecured personal loans come at much higher rates. Many bank have tight minimums and maximums on the size of unsecured personal loans. I have a 760 credit score and recently attempted to borrower $9,000 from American General Finance unsecured and they offered me an astounding rate of 22.24%. I laughed in their face as I could receive that same sum from Prosper for roughly 10%. On the other hand, many big institutions such as Chase, don't specialize nor like to deal with unsecured loans and won't offer personal loans for less than $25,000. If you want $1,000 they'll tell you to take a cash advance on a credit card which they will happily supply.

Lastly, just because someone makes $100,000 a year doesn't mean they have an extra $2000-$10,000 lying around they can spend at will. If they are smart, and financially intelligent, every dollar they earn has a place. Personally, I make a bit less than $100,000 a year but every dollar I earn is budgeted. Much of this is budgeted to savings which I dare not touch. I would much rather take a loan for $3,000 than tap into personal retirement, vacation, etc savings especially when I know I could get that much financed at a very reasonable rate, and at the same time help build my credit score even more.

Not all AA listings are bad, I was just concerned about these two in particular.

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« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2009, 10:39:17 PM »

I am 30 years old.  My income was $26,400 from my primary job.  This year it will probably a little less than that. 

What's the difference between people like me and people like you?  You don't have to answer if you don't want.  I would like to unlock this mystery along with many other people I know.  Hopefully the answer isn't age or profession.  I'm hoping it is philosophy, money management strategies or something like that.

I only know a few people with 6 figure incomes.  All but one of them were born with a 6 figure income.  One of them is a master salesman with little to no college. 

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« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2009, 11:03:03 PM »

I am 30 years old.  My income was $26,400 from my primary job.  This year it will probably a little less than that. 

What's the difference between people like me and people like you?  You don't have to answer if you don't want.  I would like to unlock this mystery along with many other people I know.  Hopefully the answer isn't age or profession.  I'm hoping it is philosophy, money management strategies or something like that.

I only know a few people with 6 figure incomes.  All but one of them were born with a 6 figure income.  One of them is a master salesman with little to no college. 

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It is not totally something to do with your current income. It is about investment and how much you save to contribute to that investment on a monthly basis. Over time, if your investment works as plan, you will be more money each year.

Also statistically speaking your education level will dictate how much you can earn each year. That is why kids should get a college degree. Odd is against you if you don't have one. Or you are brave enough or have the right products to sell, you can start your own business. You are the boss, so you can make your own terms.  Cheesy Grin Wink
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« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2009, 11:11:25 PM »

Age?
Education?
Investment strategy?
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« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2009, 11:15:09 PM »

Age?
Education?
Investment strategy?

Save as early as possible, get out of debt ASAP.
Get a college education for on going income.
Have your business or build your investment.
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« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2009, 01:38:46 AM »

Personally, I am 24 years old. I could have had my parents pay my way through college if I wanted when I graduated high school. I chose instead to work. I had one job that I loved that I worked about 25 hours a week at, and worked full time at home depot. I worked both of these jobs for 6 months after graduating high school. I then had an offer from a friend that I had worked with doing computer repair while in high school, to come work for the company he had just started with. I have been with them going on 6 years now and make just over $50,000 a year.

I am all about money management. By the age of 20 I had amassed over $25,000 in un-secured debt namely via credit cards. I was raised with good money management skills, realized the hole I had gotten myself into and was determined to get myself out of this hole. I began working part time on weekends when I was home (travel Monday-Friday for my full time employer). I worked 60-70 hours a week, plus another 20 on weekends for 2 and a half years until my debt was all but wiped out. I had managed to raise my credit score significantly because of all the open lines of credit I had with low or no balances.

Quit my part time job when I got married a little over two years ago, bought my first house shortly thereafter. Unfortunately, after we purchased our home, my wife was laid off from work for 6 months and we relied on credit once again to pull us through for awhile. I am working diligently to pay down my debt (less than $8,000 remaining and should have it paid off by 2011 leaving my car and home as my only other debt and car will be paid for by middle of 2012. Regardless of my debts, I set aside $400 a month as investment capital.

I started out playing low stakes hold'em as additional side income. I earned roughly $10 an hour playing poker online. Increased my $1000 starting bankroll to over $5000 and then started playing in casinos once or twice a week. Over the last two years, I have earned $350 a month on average, playing poker 3 nights a month on average. Just one of my sources of side income. As my bankroll grew larger, rather than increase my stakes to play with better players, I instead took some of the money I made and invested it into other avenues. First being Prosper. I liked the idea of being able to invest a small amount on a regular basis, see instant returns, and have a residual income source in case things were to change for me financially. Every dollar I put into a P2P lending site, I receive $1.08 back a year on. So if I have $2000 invested that's about $15 a month in profit. This brings me up to $365 a month in "passive income". I put passive in quotes because I do actually spend a significant amount of time earning this money, although I would not consider either of the above a "job".

I have been researching the stock markets day and night since late 2006 until I began trading in January of 2009. I have shown over a 300% gain YTD on my trades this year. If I can earn just a 20-30% annualized gain on my trades, for ease, let's call it $10,000 in capital, that is an additional $3,000 a year or $250 a month. This takes me up to $615 a month in "passive income. In order to earn these types of returns, you can't just dump money into a mutual fund, or buy something because your buddy told you to. I spend hours upon hours reviewing charts, fundamentals, and management capabilities of over 120 companies. I check each company on a weekly basis, I look for the right times to get my money in, always at a 3 to 1 reward to risk ratio (if I want to make 30% on the trade I won't risk more than 10%).

Once my car and remainder of unsecured debt is completely paid off, hopefully by June 2012, I plan to purchase my first rental property. I have been watching the properties in my home town for over 2 years (since before I bought my house) and will be looking to make a good move on a profitable property, that I can rent for break even for 2-3 years. This will enable me to build ~$10,000-$15,000 in equity in this rental. At that time I will take out a second mortgage on this equity earned, re-invest that into major improvements (namely: floors, bathroom and kitchen) and hopefully be able to double or triple my money on the work put into the property as I plan to do all of the labor myself. This should net me a healthy return of $15,000-$30,000 on my investment, plus my $10,000 in equity returned to me. When all is said and done, I should have earned a return of $35,000-$45,000 in 3 years for just a month or so worth of work re-modeling this rental.

So on and so forth. These are my plans anyways, coming from a young individual, who is aspiring to be debt free, and financially independent (capable of living off my investments) by the age of 37. I would love to be able to do this as well as being a financial adviser and personal money manager, teaching others to do as I have done, at the same time (assuming I don't go bankrupt 3 times over trying!!). /crosses fingers

OK, ignore all that rambling. In terms of money management, I would recommend as Investar has shown me, detail out EVERYTHING that you spend your money on every month. Figure out what you spend money on that you can do without, or perhaps less of. Break your spending down into the below budget (stolen from Investar). A lot of these items are annual items and should be broken down into monthly averages. For the first year or so, you will likely need to make adjustments.

Monthly Budget

Self Gross Income
Spouse Gross Income
Total Gross Income
Total Net Income


1.) Fixed Expenses
    a.) Housing
    b.) Utilities
    c.) Food/Sundries
    d.) Clothing/Work Clothing
    e.) Communication, phone, computer
    f.) Transportation, Gas, Repairs, Registration
    g.) Insurance, Homeowners, Renters, Auto, Life
    h.) Fees, legal, bank, license, taxes
    i.) Medical/Dental Co-Pay or Totals if not insured
    i.) Contingency for expense fluctuation (10% of total of A-I)
2.) Elective Expenses
    a.) Entertainment, Dining, All Snacks
    b.) Hobbies and Habits
    c.) Savings and Investment
    d.) Charity and Gifting
    e.) Home Improvement Fund (IE paint, upgrades etc, not household supplies/decorating)
    f.) Household supplies, decorating, extras (worthless crap my wife buys?)
3.) Debt Service
    a.) Car Payment
    b.) Credit Card
    c.) Personal Loans
    d.) Student Loans
Un-allocated free cash flow

This is something I make all of my group candidates submit to me as well. An organized budget shows someone that is careful with their money, understands their finances, where their money goes, and why. If you are looking for guidance, start here. =)

Do we need a topic split here?

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