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Author Topic: BAEVentures Foliofn Performance  (Read 431 times)
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« on: October 16, 2009, 12:10:03 AM »

Well so far things are looking decent in terms of performance on Folio. I have been buying up a range of notes since Prosper has come back live and have pasted my data below. I have been listing all notes after 2-3 weeks from origination date at a 0% discount. (As of 10/26/09, I am listing immediately after origination for a 2.0% premium on AA notes with a lender yield over 8.99%)

This entitles me to receive Principal lent + interest accrued - 1% servicing fee if the note sells at that 0-2% rate. If the rate is bid up and winds up at a 3-4 % premium, I am obviously making more. Take a look at the below table for more details on how I have done so far.

If you hold off on your bids until the final day of auction, allow 6 days for Prosper to clear the notes, 14-30 days before listing, and then 7 days for listing time, the maximum time for your cash to be tied up is 45 days. On many of these notes, I am listing them on FolioFn on the origination date (the first date it becomes a "note" 1 month prior to first scheduled payment).

Data Compilation:
Prosper Rating         Total Notes Sold       Net Share       Net Profit     Avg Duration (days)*         ROI     Annualized Yield**
AA                          16                           $718.79           $8.40                   21                         1.17%         20.31%
A                            14                           $475.00           $2.67                  30                          0.56%          6.84%
B                            3                            $150.00           $1.64                   43                        1.09%           9.28%
C                            0                            $00.00             $0.00                   0                          N/A             N/A
D                            1                            $25.00             $0.55                   50                        2.20%          16.06%
E                            2                             $50.00            $1.00                   31                        2.00%          23.55%
HR                          6                             $597.92          $20.39                  67                        3.41%          18.58%

That taken into consideration:

Key Summary Statistics
$2016.71 principal invested
$34.65 net profit
1.72% ROI
15.55% annualized return

Edit 11/25/09 - I have begun to purchase all AA Prosper Rated notes with a credit score greater than 820 and a lender yield greater than 8.49%, in lots of $50.00 and sell them the day they become notes (origination date). I am now listing at 2.5% premium and ending the auction as soon as it has a bid. I am looking to maximize return, by getting the capital re-invested ASAP to repeat the process again. Remember, I am only bidding on AA Prosper Rated notes with lender yields greater than 8.49%. It looks like approximately 1 per day of these go through on average, with a Prosper wait time of less than 96 hours on average (so far, data is still small). This makes for a 6-10 day turn around for a 1.17% profit margin. If this continues to work, I'm looking at being able to churn $500 a month 3 times into $22.50 net profit. A whopping 5% monthly gain which will create an annualized yield of 60%!!! I just hope the folks that are buying these notes don't stop, as historically per Ericscc.com they have a default rate over 13%...

BAEVentures

P.S. I will try to keep this updated regularly as to my progress. If only I had more time and spare capital to throw around I would try virtually every AA listing that becomes a note with a closing lender yield greater than 8.99% as those seem to be selling in the highest frequencies (as of 10/27/09 I am doing this, however with a limited capital base of $250, so I can only be churning 5 notes at a time, at least until more regular payments come in). Most of these loans historically have a high chance of default so I'm not sure why they sell so well, and am a little hesitant that the 3-4 buyers of these may stop purchasing, leaving me stuck with them, but crossing my fingers for the moment.

*Avg Duration (days) was calculated with the following formula. Date of Sale - Date of Purchase + 6 days. These 6 days signify an average wait of 5 days for Prosper to approve the note to become a loan, and then an additional 1 business day before your funds are returned to you, after the auction finishes on Foliofn.
**Annualized Return concerns ideal circumstances that there would be an unlimited number of notes to trade (IE as soon as your funds are returned from a sale, they are immediately bid on another note ending that same day.
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« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2009, 01:21:51 AM »

Interesting thoughts. I have been lightly looking at this myself and will continue too. I am very interested on how you do.

Thanks!

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« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2009, 04:59:48 PM »

Did you actually received your principles as your "net received"? Or you just assume you will get the principle back when the loan matures? Anyway, it is very interesting info.
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« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2009, 09:25:27 PM »

The "Net Received" column, is the total of what I actually received. It consists of the below:

1.) Principal
2.) Outstanding Interest
3.) Premium paid by buyer of note on folio
4.) One (1) percent folio service fee subtracted.
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« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2009, 11:42:54 PM »

One more item of note. Currently on Foliofn, the second bid on a note listing does not always cause the premium bid on that note to increase. I have contacted Cameron (Prosper's Lending Manager) twice about this issue and he is currently working with the IT folks @ folio trying to figure out why. I noticed this last week, but unfortunately a third bid was made before they got back to me. It is currently happening on another note of mine, and I spoke with him again today and they are working their hardest to resolve it, or find the cause. I will update once I have a response from them.

BAEVentures

Hope this helps!

P.S. Forgot to mention, ALL of my current Prosper capital is being devoted to note trading currently. As of 12/01/09 I will likely cease all bids awaiting further news of what will happen to Prosper in the long run. I recently started a group for high risk borrowers and thorough evaluation of these borrowers, but I personally, am unwilling to continue to dump $200 at a pop into these folks. I am confident of their abilities to re-pay, but not necessarily Prosper's ability to pay me should the expected happen /crosses fingers.
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« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2009, 08:35:33 PM »

P.S. Forgot to mention, ALL of my current Prosper capital is being devoted to note trading currently. As of 12/01/09 I will likely cease all bids awaiting further news of what will happen to Prosper in the long run. I recently started a group for high risk borrowers and thorough evaluation of these borrowers, but I personally, am unwilling to continue to dump $200 at a pop into these folks. I am confident of their abilities to re-pay, but not necessarily Prosper's ability to pay me should the expected happen /crosses fingers.

Am I missing something here? Are you concerned about prosper going bust or concerned about the loans going bad?

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« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2009, 10:35:30 PM »

Prosper going bust. Losses during the quiet period were quite staggering, and last I saw, Prosper had little more than 4 mil in operating capital remaining. I am curious to see via their latest SEC filing, if they will be able to sustain their monthly losses for much longer. I doubt any financial institution would be willing to lend them more money with their balance sheet as ugly as it already is. Notes purchased before the quiet period, you have legal claim to, notes since, are actually more or less an investment in Prosper.
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« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2009, 12:25:51 AM »

Update.
One more item of note. Currently on Foliofn, the second bid on a note listing does not always cause the premium bid on that note to increase. I have contacted Cameron (Prosper's Lending Manager) twice about this issue and he is currently working with the IT folks @ folio trying to figure out why. I noticed this last week, but unfortunately a third bid was made before they got back to me. It is currently happening on another note of mine, and I spoke with him again today and they are working their hardest to resolve it, or find the cause. I will update once I have a response from them.

It turns out, Cameron (Prosper's Lending Manager) is not as bright as he appears, nor do I read as well as I first thought. It is stated pretty clearly on the Folio Help Page under both Buyers and Sellers:

Q.) How does the auction work?
A.) The Note Trader platform uses a sealed-bid auction, where bidders submit written bids without knowing the bids of the other bidders in the auction. The highest bidder wins, but the price paid is the second-highest bid amount.


Glad it's taken him two weeks since we first talked and he still hasn't figured it out nor contacted me back about it.../sigh, glad I dumped some money in LendingClub, at least they understand the concept of customer service.

See original post for the other updates I have posted. 2 more notes sold today, and I should be able to list another 5 tomorrow. Hopefully this keeps going the way it is and Prosper can stay alive long enough for me to make a few bucks...Not like the $22.75 a month is gonna make me rich, just feels nice to know, I can have a Portfolio plan do my bidding, pop on once a week, list notes on Folio, and make 60% a year on a small sum. Maybe a larger market could even develop for the opportunity to make even more $$ !!

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« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2009, 11:55:41 PM »

Updated. Current as of 11/25/09.

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